'Diamond in the rough'
- FalldownPhil
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Re: 'Diamond in the rough'
1-6, 3-4, 2-5 is correct.
Best,
Phil
Best,
Phil
When you are up to your ass in alligators it is sometimes difficult
to remember that your objective was to drain the swamp !!
to remember that your objective was to drain the swamp !!
- bikeymikey748
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Re: 'Diamond in the rough'
ITS ALIVE.....ALIVE
Excuse the wiring 'bird's nest' I've yet to finish it off. Also, I used my basic timing light , not the adjustable one, to give some idea of how the clear timing cover works ( pretty good, actually).
I shot this vid before I sync'd the carbs, the bench method got them this good ! My synch tool works well too. I plugged each section into a single outlet, from the Honda, and adjusted the bleed so each registered the same.
The 'muffler' will get toned down too ( the resonator is secured with a thick wire at present). The 'shriek' at high rpm actually hurts your ears! I think I woke up most of my, very understanding, neighbors ( God bless them).
Oh man, today is a good day.
Excuse the wiring 'bird's nest' I've yet to finish it off. Also, I used my basic timing light , not the adjustable one, to give some idea of how the clear timing cover works ( pretty good, actually).
I shot this vid before I sync'd the carbs, the bench method got them this good ! My synch tool works well too. I plugged each section into a single outlet, from the Honda, and adjusted the bleed so each registered the same.
The 'muffler' will get toned down too ( the resonator is secured with a thick wire at present). The 'shriek' at high rpm actually hurts your ears! I think I woke up most of my, very understanding, neighbors ( God bless them).
Oh man, today is a good day.
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Re: 'Diamond in the rough'
well done!! congrats!
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Just want to be clear on something. You want to tone down the exhaust??? If it were me, I'd let er sing just like that. Sounds awesome. Get that body work on and lets see a ride!!
The bike looks awesome man! Glad you figured out that glitch with the plug wiring!
The bike looks awesome man! Glad you figured out that glitch with the plug wiring!
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Re: 'Diamond in the rough'
I had a question too about your carb setup since your running pods. Where did you get the pods, and just for clarification, you just installed DJ's stage 1 kit?
Sounds like it's running great, even though I've heard people complain about pods.
Sounds like it's running great, even though I've heard people complain about pods.
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They're Emgo pods. They are a very tight fit, their edges touch. Dynojet stage one ( needles/clips, slides drilled. 3 turns out on the idle mixture screws). I didn't use the ,suppplied, mains, but bought a set of 110s to 125s. I'll start with 115 mains, I may have to go up a size more on these, but will try the 115s in conjunction with the Dynojet needles first.I had a question too about your carb setup since your running pods. Where did you get the pods, and just for clarification, you just installed DJ's stage 1 kit?
I agree, it sounds pretty smooth, and seems to take throttle inputs well. However, I expect all that to be put to the test, out on the road, under load, going up through the gears.
I, also, got chills from the sound. But, I don't expect the Police to be as admiring. I don't want to attract too much 'Official' attention, and get slapped with a vehicle inspection ticket
I've tried a few restrictors, in the resonator, and they really don't quiet it down a bunch. I'll give it a try on the road, but may end up reducing the I.D. of the resonator in defference to local eardrums, and across-the-range fueling.
I'm off to the 'Man Cave' now....more wiring to finish, almost there on that score
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I've my first week off of vacation this summer,trying to prep for 'Mericade. Damn, the weather is not cooperating.
The bike's a runner as you know. But, while it'll idle,smoothly, forever as well as taking throttle inputs (at higher revs) with aplomb, there's issues with low-speed inputs. Specifically, as the throttle is slowly opened off-idle, the motor bogs. I imagine that leaving a stop would a major pain. Could this be one of the issues with pod filters? Adimittedly, this is with no load on the motor, but I imagine a set of springs from the, non-available, Dynojet Stage 3 kit would help a bunch. I've yet to very my spark advance, and will twiddle with the pilot screws a bit. Hopefully I can correct the fueling with that alone. But the fact that those springs just might be out there is teasing me. Any other thoughts ( here we go again !) would be more than welcome.
Meanwhile, I took a 'mechanical sabbatical' and started shooting, more, paint. Here's a peek at the tank's transformation. Look closely, and you'll notice the modded seat inserts at the rear of the tank. There's still some, minor, pinstriping and lettering as well as clear-coat to come. But this is all I'll reveal until she's done. I'm kinda pleased with the outcome;
Primer and base coat of red laid on. I have already drawn on the 'wing' at this point and am masking for it.
Almost ready to shoot some grey (same as the mags & motor).
Masking/frisket paper (1150) removed. Ready to mask over the 'wing' for the red outline. Then mask over that to shoot the black.
Peeling off the masking to expose.....
I kept the 'Honda' logo on the small /subtle side of things on purpose. To me, it just looks better than having a large one shouting 'HONDA!!!'
The clear coat will, really, make the color pop. I'm undecided about what finishing touches I'll add, if any, before final clear is applied.
Oh and listen closely. Hear that sound ? That's my carbs mocking me from the garage next door
The bike's a runner as you know. But, while it'll idle,smoothly, forever as well as taking throttle inputs (at higher revs) with aplomb, there's issues with low-speed inputs. Specifically, as the throttle is slowly opened off-idle, the motor bogs. I imagine that leaving a stop would a major pain. Could this be one of the issues with pod filters? Adimittedly, this is with no load on the motor, but I imagine a set of springs from the, non-available, Dynojet Stage 3 kit would help a bunch. I've yet to very my spark advance, and will twiddle with the pilot screws a bit. Hopefully I can correct the fueling with that alone. But the fact that those springs just might be out there is teasing me. Any other thoughts ( here we go again !) would be more than welcome.
Meanwhile, I took a 'mechanical sabbatical' and started shooting, more, paint. Here's a peek at the tank's transformation. Look closely, and you'll notice the modded seat inserts at the rear of the tank. There's still some, minor, pinstriping and lettering as well as clear-coat to come. But this is all I'll reveal until she's done. I'm kinda pleased with the outcome;
Primer and base coat of red laid on. I have already drawn on the 'wing' at this point and am masking for it.
Almost ready to shoot some grey (same as the mags & motor).
Masking/frisket paper (1150) removed. Ready to mask over the 'wing' for the red outline. Then mask over that to shoot the black.
Peeling off the masking to expose.....
I kept the 'Honda' logo on the small /subtle side of things on purpose. To me, it just looks better than having a large one shouting 'HONDA!!!'
The clear coat will, really, make the color pop. I'm undecided about what finishing touches I'll add, if any, before final clear is applied.
Oh and listen closely. Hear that sound ? That's my carbs mocking me from the garage next door
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- bikeymikey748
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Re: 'Diamond in the rough'
First off, over 6,000 visits to the thread. Admittedly, 5,000 of those were me just checking in. That means over 1,000 other folks have stopped by. Wow! Who knew,huh?
Well sir, I tried just about everything I could to eradicate my off-idle flat spot/low speed fueling issues, to no avail. I even tried ( as was suggested) trimming coils off the slide springs. It just seemed to make matters worse. I spoke with Mike at Dynojet the other day. Nice guy, he recommended a stage 3 kit. We all know they aren't available in North America. But...a quick look on the net and , voila, there is a fair amount of availability in Europe. I e-mailed some nice folks in the Netherlands. As you read this, the order is being processed. No idea on when, exactly, I'll receive it,hopefully soon.
Man, I hope this cures some problems.
More sad news, for Disney lovers at least. You'll remember Mickey Mouse was making an appearance on my front fender? Well, one of my buddies liked it too and reminded me I had done it on my old 900RR. Horrified, I couldn't go repeating myself, and settled on something else I took a cotton to. Mickey didn't make the final cut, but I put ( airbrushed) this together:
I kind of find it more in keeping with the whole build. BTW, the painting is D. O. N. E.
Well sir, I tried just about everything I could to eradicate my off-idle flat spot/low speed fueling issues, to no avail. I even tried ( as was suggested) trimming coils off the slide springs. It just seemed to make matters worse. I spoke with Mike at Dynojet the other day. Nice guy, he recommended a stage 3 kit. We all know they aren't available in North America. But...a quick look on the net and , voila, there is a fair amount of availability in Europe. I e-mailed some nice folks in the Netherlands. As you read this, the order is being processed. No idea on when, exactly, I'll receive it,hopefully soon.
Man, I hope this cures some problems.
More sad news, for Disney lovers at least. You'll remember Mickey Mouse was making an appearance on my front fender? Well, one of my buddies liked it too and reminded me I had done it on my old 900RR. Horrified, I couldn't go repeating myself, and settled on something else I took a cotton to. Mickey didn't make the final cut, but I put ( airbrushed) this together:
I kind of find it more in keeping with the whole build. BTW, the painting is D. O. N. E.
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- FalldownPhil
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Re: 'Diamond in the rough'
I like the paint a lot although I do hold an annual pass for Disneyland and really liked the M.M. fender.
The tank is looking good too.
Best,
Phil
The tank is looking good too.
Best,
Phil
When you are up to your ass in alligators it is sometimes difficult
to remember that your objective was to drain the swamp !!
to remember that your objective was to drain the swamp !!
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Re: 'Diamond in the rough'
Your numbers are way off, Mike. At least 1,000 of those visits are mine.
It will be interesting in how your Stage 3 alteration works.
I have a Dynojet Stage 3 Canadian? part# 81-9260 that is destined for the '79.
It will be interesting in how your Stage 3 alteration works.
I have a Dynojet Stage 3 Canadian? part# 81-9260 that is destined for the '79.
- bikeymikey748
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There you go, I knew it had to be you, Steve-O.
Your numbers are way off, Mike. At least 1,000 of those visits are mine.
Yup, I'm hoping it'll be all I need, the stage 1 (with mods) just isn't workable in my situation. This might be like Christmas come early. I don't recall you were running individual (pod) filters, why would you install the stage 3 ? Where did you source your kit from ?It will be interesting in how your Stage 3 alteration works.
I have a Dynojet Stage 3 Canadian? part# 81-9260 that is destined for the '79.
Also, could you have a look-see & tell me if the idle jets ( I realise there's a difference between '79 & '82s,still...) are included in the kit, or....if you have a minute,and want to be an excellent guy (though there's not much doubting that), a photo of the works would be swell ( I've an idea what's included, but would really like to see it for myself).
Apologies,Phil, I feel your pain.I do hold an annual pass for Disneyland and really liked the M.M. fender.
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Sorry for the lousy pic Mike, but you get the idea.
I got this kit on E-Bay a couple years ago. Got the pods, got the PipeMasters, got the kit figured i would try it out on the '79.
On the '81 the previous owner installed a Stage 1, single K&N filter and PipeMasters. He then controlled/adjusted the airflow by trimming the top of the airbox lid and by drilling large holes in the front of the airbox. It was a bit of a mess.
I got this kit on E-Bay a couple years ago. Got the pods, got the PipeMasters, got the kit figured i would try it out on the '79.
On the '81 the previous owner installed a Stage 1, single K&N filter and PipeMasters. He then controlled/adjusted the airflow by trimming the top of the airbox lid and by drilling large holes in the front of the airbox. It was a bit of a mess.
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You are a good man, Steve...thanks for taking the time to put the snap up
The kit listings I saw also identify your kit , for '79s, as part #1310 ( they lack the 'C' & '.001' though. Canadian, indeed !).Kits for '82 are #1318.
I am not seeing slide springs in your kit, and have sent off a query to the supplier asking if they are included in the kit I bought. Odd, seems some have them, some don't. I just assumed ( my first mistake) that all stage 3 kits had them
So...now you need to slap on those pods, slide in the kit pieces, and help me get mine sorted.
Waddya say ?
The kit listings I saw also identify your kit , for '79s, as part #1310 ( they lack the 'C' & '.001' though. Canadian, indeed !).Kits for '82 are #1318.
I am not seeing slide springs in your kit, and have sent off a query to the supplier asking if they are included in the kit I bought. Odd, seems some have them, some don't. I just assumed ( my first mistake) that all stage 3 kits had them
So...now you need to slap on those pods, slide in the kit pieces, and help me get mine sorted.
Waddya say ?
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You can always pick up a spare set of stock CBX carb springs and remove a coil at a time until you recover the throttle response you lose from eliminating the air box and loss of vacuum removing the air box creates.
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'Morning,Jeff. Before I ordered the stage 3 kit, I gave that a go. I cut incrimentally, something like, 2 full coils from each spring. It seemed to run worse. Of course the bodged jetting wasn't helping. I figured that,eventually I might be replacing them with the ones that, I was certain ( ), came in the kit. The jury's still out on that. Meanwhile, I had a quick look online last night looking for,at least stock, replacements. Nada,Zip,Diddly .You can always pick up a spare set of stock CBX carb springs and remove a coil at a time until you recover the throttle response you lose from eliminating the air box and loss of vacuum removing the air box creates.
My buddy, Gord-O, built a fine Honda Hawk track bike. He plugged in a Factory jet kit. The instructions called for ( I am not making this up) the springs to be stretched and then baked in an oven (at 400f, for an hour). Gordie was well pleased with the results. This may be what I'll do to recover the lost,original, length in my springs. Though, giving them, unaltered in their shorter length, a try with the better jetting, might be an option too.
Double edged sword really. Installing the pods has been a challenge,but having them there makes the,required, adjustments much easier than with the stock air box/lowering the motor scenario.
Sometimes, it's hard to remember that I took on this project as a way to relax
But, tomorrow's another day, I'm not down for the count just yet. Though, the ref's count is up to,damn near, seven